Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: I have a plan. And I was Satan.
[00:00:02] Speaker B: Oh, gosh.
[00:00:02] Speaker A: And I've got this big Disney voice. Yeah, it was very cool.
[00:00:07] Speaker B: Well, I'm sure that was really fun playing Satan. Somebody's got to do it, I suppose. But I would never opt to do that role.
[00:00:14] Speaker A: It was. It was really fun. You know, you don't get to use that. That. I love being creative. And when you're younger, like, oh, what if I don't sound good? Everyone's looking at me. And then you finally. When you finally quit caring about what people think, and you, you know, you've played with a voice in the car or something, and you can be whoever you want to be, and you get to do that. And they go, we like that.
[00:00:33] Speaker B: That's how Jim Carrey made millions.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: Jim Carrey is a trip.
Right? Right. Hey, cool story. Okay.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: Anyhow, we had a great session today. Another great session. I love hanging out with you, as I say probably every time. Oh, and I have a surprise for you this time, I think. I don't think I had this surprise for you last time.
Bear with me. I'm working on it. And I have to hit all these fancy buttons over here on my little sound board. But did I share with you the intro last time?
I told you that I mix. I did a little mix mastering.
Well, ready? Well, ready. Up, boy.
[00:01:06] Speaker A: Do it.
[00:01:06] Speaker B: Oh, I think I did. Yeah, I did. Here we go.
That's it. Here's the second part.
Here's the third part. Now I put those three all get back. Put back together here after that.
Here you go. Now that's all three parts with drums.
[00:01:26] Speaker A: Oh, I love it.
[00:01:27] Speaker B: I think it's got a little something to it. A little giddy up and go.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: I like those. That when you got a guitar through a different kind of processor and a good drum, you base going on.
[00:01:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I'm not anything special. I just grabbed. I paid for a track, of course, and then I broke it up and had some fun with it. But.
[00:01:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I.
[00:01:44] Speaker B: That's the new intro to our. That's the intro to our podcast.
[00:01:47] Speaker A: I love it.
[00:01:47] Speaker B: All right.
[00:01:48] Speaker A: I go to Audio Jungle, and then I'll take stuff that I'll buy and then I'll add you. Sometimes you like. I put a roar. Whatever I do with stuff.
[00:01:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:01:55] Speaker A: There's a lion being attacked. He was. I think he killed a zebra or something. And a cackle of hyena came.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: And one line against 20 hyenas doesn't have a chance. They got the strongest bite and all that. They'll beat you alive. But when he did roar. In that case, his other sibling or whatever male. You can watch the video comes in, and the two of them now will chase the hyenas.
[00:02:17] Speaker B: Wow. Is that a decent roar on that one?
[00:02:19] Speaker A: Yeah, you just got to listen to it. I mean, it doesn't sound like the good.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: Yeah, they don't have that.
I have not worked on that sound.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: So you have to sound like I.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: Need to sit in my car.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: And James Earl Jones just passed away here.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: He did.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: He did.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: Man, what a great voice.
[00:02:33] Speaker A: It is too late for me, son.
[00:02:36] Speaker B: I didn't know him, obviously, but, man, what was he?
[00:02:39] Speaker A: He was Mufasa. If you ever touch my son. Say it again.
[00:02:43] Speaker B: Yeah, say it again.
He was in the sand lot.
[00:02:49] Speaker A: He was in the sand lot.
[00:02:51] Speaker B: He was in the sand lot.
[00:02:52] Speaker A: That was a great movie.
[00:02:53] Speaker B: That was a good movie. And that's a long, stinking time ago.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: Gotta go over the fence to get the ball. Yeah, that dog's back there.
[00:02:59] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. So today. Well, actually, that's what. What an unintentional segue into today's conversation.
[00:03:07] Speaker A: This is real life.
[00:03:08] Speaker B: That's the adventurer warrior. Well, not. We don't call it that, but that's the warrior stage, where they're being adventurous, Right?
[00:03:14] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's young warrior, right?
[00:03:17] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: Brent has been working on the book and came up with. Well, we mentioned this before that we had looked at.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: There were. They were like.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: They came out of Ortberg's book.
[00:03:29] Speaker A: No, they came out.
[00:03:31] Speaker B: And we've. We've taken that idea and really created our own version of it. And I say we. Meaning mostly Brent. But there's five stages. Starts with beloved warrior, but they're all warrior stages for men.
[00:03:44] Speaker A: Yeah, it starts off with the beloved warrior. And that's probably like, ages three, you know, like your first memory. Four to about the age 12. You're that beloved warrior. You know, you. You dress like the hero. You wear the best Batman costume kind of a thing. Then the next phase would be like 13 to 22ish, something like that. And that's. That's the young warrior. That's where you're learning. You're the apprentice, the armor bearer. You. You trade your bike in for a dirt bike. You know, you're now getting competitive in sports. You're flirting with a girl. You get your first girlfriend. It's all that kind of stuff. Next phase would be more like about 23 to about probably 36ish. Something like that, that would be the mighty warrior. Where now you're no longer the, the apprentice or the, the armor bearer. You're. You're on the front lines kind of a thing now. You've got the energy, you've, you know, it's just that you're finding your first wife, you're having your first kids.
[00:04:34] Speaker B: Yeah. You have some beloved warriors of your.
[00:04:35] Speaker A: Own, yet you do.
[00:04:36] Speaker B: Right.
[00:04:37] Speaker A: And so it's a whole new growing and learning phase. And then after that, what I was going into was the ruling warrior. Now these are the guys like from, from 37ish to, I don't know, 55, 60s, like that.
[00:04:49] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: You're now become the Earth 65. And these can overlap, the ages can overlap. But you become like the CEO, the senior pastor. You know, you're ruling now. You've done all the other stuff and now you're learning how to manage people and you put all those skills to work. I wish I had the notes in front of me. I don't. And then the last one you go into is probably like 66 to whenever. Yeah. Is the wise warrior. And the wise warrior is. It's almost like you're becoming the armor bearer again. Going back is now teaching and helping others grow. That discipleship now becomes really important to you. Understand the power of prayer more because you've seen a lifetime of how God showed up for you and that wisdom that you've gained. It's almost like you become the armor bearer again, going back to the young warrior or the mighty warrior or the ruling warrior. And they come to you for wisdom.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: Right.
[00:05:42] Speaker A: And well, they should. Yeah, they don't always do it.
[00:05:45] Speaker B: And that's one of the things that we talked about today too. We see this in the corporate world, which is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, reasons that leaders fail or at least don't exceed what's expected of them, maybe even achieve what's expected of them, is they don't ask for help.
[00:06:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:02] Speaker B: And that's a, that's a sign that.
It's a sign that the organization is in trouble and a sign that that leader is in trouble. And honestly, that extends beyond corporate America to really all of us men. We have to understand that it's not just okay, but it's necessary to ask for help.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: And maybe, you know, one of the things that could have been added this would have been the humble warrior. Because when you think of that, if that man who is now in that position doesn't ask for help, it's probably because either he believes that the expectations on him is that he should already know this, and if he doesn't, he's not good enough. So he poses.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: There's a fear there.
[00:06:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:41] Speaker B: And we talked about that today, too.
[00:06:43] Speaker A: And since we haven't added these, we can put, you know, in this might be that you can add the words like the humility side of things or the prideful warrior. I mean, there's.
[00:06:51] Speaker B: Right.
Yeah. Well, there's so many other stages we could call out or phases or. And a lot of them overlap. You know, you could equally say the prayerful warrior.
[00:07:01] Speaker A: Yeah, there's all.
[00:07:01] Speaker B: And it would be super appropriate. And then there's things like the prayer for a warrior where honestly, that should extend through the lifetime, but you become a different prayer also. So you could kind of isolate it and break it down into different silos. We're just saying generically, men, this is the phases we kind of go through.
[00:07:17] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:07:17] Speaker B: And that's a really good starting point for us.
[00:07:19] Speaker A: And then we came back and said, because this is going to be for a book for both men and women, then what would those using that warrior were? Because women, when you think about some of the roles that they have, like a mama bear, you don't mess with her. So we came back and just started off with using each one, whether it was the word beloved, young, mighty, ruling wise guys.
[00:07:36] Speaker B: Right.
[00:07:36] Speaker A: We put the word instead of warrior. We put princess on the end of it because. And that all came out. We would. We went to the Indianapolis Zoo this last weekend and it was like the. The Halloween. Everybody's dressed up at the park and it was a really cool day. But the thing that I noticed is every little boy was either a superhero or adventurer, you know, like a pirate or, you know, whatever. And every little girl was either a princess or a butterfly. 99 of them were princesses. I think I saw two butterflies, you know, wings on their back.
[00:08:06] Speaker B: But when you think about it, maybe they were Tinkerbell.
[00:08:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Still a princess in today's world. That could be a little boy, too.
[00:08:13] Speaker B: That's not where we're headed here.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: He's a little stinker bell. Yeah, but, yeah, so you got. Then you think about it, you've got the beloved princess. That's the little daddy's little girl. And the beautiful thing is, even when she gets older and she becomes the wise princess. Well, you even mentioned, like, the ruling. The ruling would become queen.
[00:08:28] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:08:29] Speaker A: But. But that's still a phase of the. Of the princess becoming that. But even when she becomes the wise warrior to her Father.
[00:08:37] Speaker B: The wise princess.
[00:08:38] Speaker A: The wise princess.
[00:08:39] Speaker B: To us, as the father, she's still our princess. Yeah, yeah. She's the queen at this point in her world. But to us, my little girl will always be my little princess, right? My little whatever nickname you have for her. My little goose, my little bug, my little whatever flower, my little princess.
[00:08:54] Speaker A: And this just hit me. No matter what phase you're into, God, you are still the beloved warrior, even though you become the mighty. Where all these things.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:09:01] Speaker A: You're still his beloved.
[00:09:02] Speaker B: Exactly, exactly. That's why I think that's the right first phrase, because that's the first. We're. We're a beloved warrior. Before we experience being a beloved warrior. Yeah, I mean, we're. For me and my wife, the moment we were pregnant, it's like, there's my beloved warrior, right? Or beloved princess until I know 139. Hey, Preach.
[00:09:18] Speaker A: Before he knew my name.
[00:09:20] Speaker B: Preach.
[00:09:20] Speaker A: Before you knew my name. The world knew me, saw me, he.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: Did fearfully and wonderfully made.
I thought it was a great session today, Brent and I. I very much look forward to next week.
[00:09:30] Speaker A: Oh, let me say this real quick.
[00:09:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:09:32] Speaker A: I don't want to lose this. So sometimes we get together and, you know, I've written something, you've written something. We got things. It's been crazy. You had some crazy stuff happening, losing someone close to you, and my life got crazy. And I just want to share this. Sometimes when we get together, we don't necessarily know what we're going to talk about.
[00:09:50] Speaker B: Right.
[00:09:50] Speaker A: We share our experiences. Where. Where has God been moving? And it's not out of. We feel we need to say this. It's like, because we're friends, we can say like, you messaged me this week, man. How can I pray for you this week? And it was so crazy. I never really got back to you, and I'm like, let me tell you.
[00:10:04] Speaker B: I was like, well, I know one way.
[00:10:05] Speaker A: So I was really struggling, and I don't need to go into the store, but I was really struggling this week. You know, I'm 64 years old and every, you know, we all have that question, you know, is, has my life mattered? I'm passionate about this book because I can see how this can affect so many people. It's not just like my other books, which I think there's certain phases that those books applied, maybe in the warrior stage. And we talk about, you know, like, maybe the beloved, the young, the mighty. I don't know. Maybe they affect all. I don't know. But this one I see is really being affecting so many people. And so I was really struggling the other day and you know, when looking at my whole life going, you know, I think we all do it's points. Am I making a difference? Have I made a difference?
[00:10:44] Speaker B: And as you get older, period. Yeah.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: And as you get older, it happens more often because you're thinking, am I going to finish? Well.
And have you ever had a song and you. Or a movie? There was a line either from a song or a movie and you couldn't.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: Remember, but you remember the line, but you can't remember the dang movie or the song that it came from. Yeah, yeah.
[00:11:02] Speaker A: And so this was hitting me. And I remember I was telling you this, I was writing about this when Stephen Curtis and I were touring together.
I was singing shake your blue thing because I didn't know what the lyric was. He goes, dude, it's groove thing. And so that became one of our big jokes. Yeah, well, this line was hitting me and it was, and maybe you'll get this as soon as you hear this. The line kept going through my head. It said, tell me I've lived a good life. Tell me I'm a good man.
And it was haunting. I don't, was, wasn't. Like I was just trying to remember because I was going to have to ask Alexa, you know, Alexa, what's that line? What's that from? It was haunting in my spirit. And so finally I asked Stacy, we were, we were literally going to bed and I said, this has been haunting me all night. So she's googling it while I'm brushing my teeth, I think, and I come out, she goes, I found it. But before she could say it, you know that whatever that was, when she said she found it, I found it. Yeah. Something happened in my head and it was from Saving Private Ryan. And it's the opening scene where he is going to in the cemetery where all the crosses are. And he's now transformed. You see the video where he is a young man and with, you know, the modern technology, they make his face age as you're looking at it over about 8 or 9 seconds until he becomes this late 80s 90 year old man and he's barely been able to walk to get to this cross and he gets down on one knee and it's hard for him to get down and he's, he's talking to this cross, whoever was buried there, which if you've seen the movie, you know who he was talking to. But as he stands up and he's remembering.
His wife walks up and she reads the name on the cross, and she's like, you know, who is this, basically?
And he looks at his wife because she doesn't know what he went through. She never could.
And he looks at her and he says, tell me I lived a good life.
Tell me I'm a good man. And she looks at him, puzzled. And then she says, you are.
And she walks back to the family. And she turns and she kind of looks at him again, trying to understand.
[00:12:56] Speaker B: Like, going through, like, to give him enough. Yeah, yeah.
[00:13:00] Speaker A: And all of us.
[00:13:01] Speaker B: Or why is he still there? That should have. That should have answered his question. I answered this question. Why isn't he coming with me?
[00:13:05] Speaker A: And then in that moment, they could only be between he and the other man who he had served and done battle with.
[00:13:10] Speaker B: Right?
[00:13:11] Speaker A: He snaps to attention and salutes. And, dude, as soon as I understood where that movie. When I knew that line came from, she opens up on her phone and I just laid down in bed. I don't even have to see the scene. I know the scene. And tears began to pour down my face and I began to sob. And she's looking at me like, what in the world? Just like what that wife looking at him would have been like, you know, she doesn't know what's going on. And I think what we're trying to do with that, and I think this is big, is we all have stories that no one else is really going to understand.
But his purpose, everything that he went through to where he is now, he's questioning, did I live a good life?
[00:13:54] Speaker B: Right.
[00:13:54] Speaker A: And you and I talked about this, and we can wrap up with this, too, is we were. It's like taking. It's not the reckoning, because God's forgiven of us, of our. You know, we don't have to be held in fear of that kind of stuff. But we're taking an inventory because we're looking at everything we've done. And if the inventory is low in one area of our life, like with our family, we need to plug in more, then those shelves need to be restocked. God, show me that I still have a purpose and give me what I need to be able to plug into where it's most important. And I think that's. For me, the tears came because I know the areas I need to do better with.
But those tears were like a cleansing to me. I can't explain it, but it helped put things back in focus, to feel, not just to. Yeah, I know. I'm not doing good enough over in this area. Well, whatever. Move on to this. In that moment, I didn't compartmentalize anymore. I looked at everything and I went, this needs to be worked on. It's. It's a part of my whole life's purpose.
[00:14:54] Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: The purpose of this book, is to move you.
[00:14:58] Speaker B: You're becoming a wise warrior. Yeah, you're. You are. You're. You're. That's your stage right now. I mean, it's your stage at your age.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: I'm sorry, brother, but I know it's true.
[00:15:09] Speaker B: But you're thinking through that stuff, and you're becoming a wise war, and you're reflecting. I think that's. If you don't go through that, how do you become the wise warrior? Yeah, right.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: Yep. And. And then part of it is sharing it. We always say, I don't want you to have to go through this, so I'm going to share this with you. But they still have to go through it, and you can just be there with them as they go through.
[00:15:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Agreed. Well, let's close out with some really awesome music.
[00:15:32] Speaker A: It sounds good. It's gonna be a shake your blue thing.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: No, that might be a little loud.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: Oh, that's all right.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: I'm playing with it.
[00:15:48] Speaker A: Thank you. Good night.
